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Giving some credit to McCain

Posted Thursday, September 4, 2008, at 8:35 AM

Ok, it's time to give some credit to Republican nominee John McCain, or at least to his advisers.

Choosing Palin, in my opinion was a brilliant and at the same time risky move for the candidate. My gut tells me that choosing her had nothing to do with beliefs or qualifications, but solely on the fact that she's a woman.

He wants to get his hands on those Hillary supporters who refuse to vote for Obama and this is a fantastic way to do just that. However, the one major risk is for it to be so obvious that this is all he was doing. I'm afraid that is exactly how the whole thing has come across.

It's my understanding that some of those voters feel like the whole move was a cheap way to gain their support and are quite upset about it. But, who knows.

Personally, I think the fact that she IS an unknown will make her appealing to a lot of voters. That very fact is what makes Obama appealing to so many voters. People are ready for someone not so deeply entrenched in the political mainstream.

It's strange how in the Gallup and Rasmussen daily polls for 4 days following his pick, Obama saw higher numbers than ever in his campaign even crossing 50% at one point. The RCP average is still showing him up by 6 points even after Palin's speech last night, which was very good mind you.

Any thoughts?


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Obama's bounce had little to do with Palin as the VEEP pick and mostly to do with the fact that the DNC ended last week. You sound so sad to have to give him credit, even though half of the blog is doing anything but paying him kudos. Palin was crazy amazing last night in her words and delivery. I would bet Hillary Clinton had steam coming out of her fat cells and the media today is finding everyway possible to rip her apart.

Clear choice for folks in Nov......a moderate war veteran/hero and a true conservative in every sense of the word and two Senators who rank in the top 10 on any most liberal list you will find. You choose and if it is McCain/Palin, make sure to apologize for it.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 1:40 PM
Corey Noles' response:
Hey I agree completely that she was fantastic. As a matter of fact, I'll bet he doesn't have the ratings numbers tonight that his veep pick had last night. I honestly think she would make a stronger candidate than him. I still have some hard feelings for McCain going back a couple of election cycles and I'm simply not not over it. He turned his back on his party bc he was mad he didn't get the nomination and has done plenty in the past few years to distance himself. Now suddenly he's nominated and everyone is supposed to forget it. I admire him as a person and for what he gave of himself for our country, I just don't care for him as a politician. He ranked 5th in my choices for the Republican nomination. Huckabee was my first pick by quite a longshot.

Why apologize for it, hoon? Although I did not hear all of Palin's speech, what I did hear was impressive. She is quite the orator. I believe that is what draws some people to Obama. Not his political views but the fact that he is such an eloquent speaker. And goodness knows we haven't had that for the past 8 years!

-- Posted by BootheelRedHead on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 2:44 PM

I agree 100% with Shannonhoon. She did a amazing job! Sealed the decision for me.

-- Posted by blessed on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 3:11 PM

RED on the NOODLE.....you misunderstood my point....Corey got it and responded in a reasonable and well thought out way. semiNOLES: I understand your feelings and appreciate your honesty. While I am NOT a McCain fan and finally find myself excited due to last night with Palin (speech on TV)....I still feel there is NO real choice here. Obama/Biden are very extreme liberals and I disagree with their views on everything from taxes/war/energy/class warfare/affirmative action/on/and/on......Plus, Palin is for laying more pipe and I am all about that!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh no I did not!

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 3:28 PM

The foreign press can look at domestic US issues with more objectivity than the US media that has a bias one way or the other. The English press is almost uniformly impressed with Sarah Palin. The Times of London even titled one article, "This is Alaska's Margaret Thatcher", http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo... Many of the writers on English blogs say if Americans don't want Palin then they will take her and make her Prime Minister.

The Democrats are scared to death of Palin and what she adds to ticket. The Demos raised more than $10 million in the first 24 hours after her speech out of fear they are in for a real battle. You can listen to AirAmerica over the Internet and they are unrelentingly savaging her more than they have ever attacked Bush or Cheney -- and that's saying a mouthful. They are literally describing her as Satan, with one host ordaining ELO's "Evil Woman" as her theme song. Palin's selection gives a person reason to gravely doubt Obama's judgment for not selecting Clinton, who would have brought all of her supporters, instead of him selecting Bidden -- who brought nothing extra to the Democratic ticket and may have actually cost votes.

-- Posted by FJGuy on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 9:28 PM

I'm writing in Corey Noles/Richard Swift for President and Vice President!

I believe these men can offer change and they are both very level headed! Take care of the peeps!

-- Posted by greer958 on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 10:52 PM

FJ....interesting stuff....Can't stomach Air America...Amazing how the true feminists are really only liberals and do NOT have all women's best interests in mind.

Swifter (did they really name a cleaning device after him?) scares me a bit......semiNOLES is da'man.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Thu, Sep 4, 2008, at 11:55 PM

I have to give props to Palin again....she is HOT HOT HOTTER than H**L as Kiss once sang. I just sent in my app. to be an intern if she is elected as VP. Character doesn't matter as we found out in the 90's!!!!!!! Thank goodness.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 11:33 AM

Leave out of the campaign-lol! I just comment and let er fly! Seriously, I do like Palin. My dad, a staunch Republican sent me a bio which I'll send to Corey right after I get off this forum. She is quite amazing. There are those of the Patriot Movement, especially of the Constitution Party and Prohibition Party, who are opposed to her accepting the vp because Ron Paul would have declined. Anyway..., she's good!

Hoon, I'll stand up for you man! You go! You can do it! lol

-- Posted by swift on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 4:09 PM

Well, aren't we just all huggy huggy kissy kissy...

-- Posted by goat lady on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 9:15 PM

Why would a person get excited about a VP pick? The President's wife is more influential than the VP.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Fri, Sep 5, 2008, at 9:31 PM

OOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Cindy Mac is HOT too.....I am with you Swifter!

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 12:09 AM

The naughty librarian look. I bet she changes that look within a week.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:07 AM

Palin, that is.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 8:08 AM

Stelting responded to my email. Unfortunately, I accidently copied everything before I pasted it. Anyway it's on the news story about the Demo hq.

Corey, I'm waiting for an email from you. I know you're pretty busy. Keep up the good work!

-- Posted by swift on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:23 AM
Corey Noles' response:
For some reason I can't send an e-mail from home...somethings been screwy for a few days, but I'll drop you a line from work this week. Sorry, for the delay!

Hey, I mispelled stolethings! Hoon, you mentioned above in humor that I scare you a bit? Don't worry, man! It's the snakes that oughta be scared! lol Stomp'n snakes!

-- Posted by swift on Sat, Sep 6, 2008, at 9:34 AM

Personally, I think choosing Palin was a great choice. I heard something about the people in alaska offering to drill oil over there? Do they really have any?

-- Posted by 20 on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 9:32 AM

Maybe she helped him with the base, but now I don't know if I can vote for him or not. I wasn't sure about him before, now there is two of them that I am not comfortable with.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 6:51 PM

Le Truth...hold your nose and go to the polls...your wallet will thank you.

-- Posted by layne staley on Sun, Sep 7, 2008, at 7:52 PM
Corey Noles' response:
Great way to put it...I think there will be a lot of people holding their nose this year on both sides of the aisle.

You'd have to carry and Bible and wear a hood for Swift to support you 100%. Swift, has there EVER been a politician you loved?

I think it is a good thing that McCain has some on the far right worried. Doesn't that mean he is more centered? Obama/Biden is typical liberal crap that they have pushed for years. McCain is a bit different by anyone's standards. I am with my boy Layne...hold the nose, check the wallet, and vote for a candidate that stands a chance.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 9:56 AM

I am a little worried about the far right attitude of Palin. Some things you have to exercise a little common sense in. Extreme views in either direction worry me.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 11:44 AM

So you must be hiding under your bed considering the other party has two of the most liberal senators (by any account I can find other than the media) nominated. And I agree...pro-life, pro gun owner's rights, anti-raising taxes, wanting to drill for more of our own oil, slashing wasteful spending, calling out people in her own party....that all worries me as well. Scary Scary.

Did I mention she is hot!

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 1:20 PM

Hoon, I was a fan of Ronald Reagan who I voted for twice. I liked Congressman Mel Hancock of Springfield when we lived out there. Ashcroft was a good governor. I may do what Layne suggests or I'll vote Constitution Party Chuck Baldwin or write in Prohibition Party Gene Amondson.

Hey Hoon, I called my dad out in Texas Sat night. He's a staunch conservative Republican. he says you're right! Neither candidate will get 60% He says 52% is considered a landslide. Oh well!

-- Posted by swift on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 4:49 PM

There you go Swifter......

Reagan, only true yellow dogs don't give him the respect and credit he is due. Ashcroft is an honorable man....and thank goodness he was Attorney General during the toughest period in history and not some liberal nut like Janet Reno. Don't throw away your vote Swift.

I can't imagine your pop being a staunch Elephant lover.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 5:36 PM

I am a conservative and I believe in almost all the thngs that would classify a person as a conservative, however I don't believe that you can just say everything is pro or con. The right to posess a 50 cal I can not agree with or the absolute strict ban on abortion. There may just be a case where my compassion for the living person would make me think OK, it is your choice, not mine or anyone else's. I don't think Palin believes that way. Maybe she hasn't seen or experienced some of the things I have.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Mon, Sep 8, 2008, at 8:07 PM

Well, it's too bad we don't have access to all the blogs of the past, because I remember a dynamite conversation on one of Sacha Champion's blogs concerning the abortion issue. Wow! Both sides laid out all the pros and cons in a very reasonable manner. There were some moving personal experience stories, too. I'm sure you remember that conversation, I.B.

-- Posted by goat lady on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 7:19 AM

IB....hearin' you. This abortion issue is so polarizing and to me shouldn't be. Wouldn't 80-90% of Americans agree that abortions should be limited and NOT used when at all possible, but that it must remain and be used when necessary medically or even in cases where the woman flat admits or gives in to the fact they are not fit to be a parent for whatever reason????? Palin will not affect law and make abortion all of a sudden ILLEGAL, no matter what her beliefs are.

I will, however, always be against a candidate who is backed by groups who tend to celebrate abortions and who through their actions don't seem to want to limit them.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 8:34 AM

I remember GL. It is the extreme in both situations that worry me.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 12:54 PM

Hoon, my dad has always been an "elephant lover"! My mom is still a Canadian citizen after 51 years being married to my dad-lol!

I'll never forget when I registered to vote soon after my 18th b-day in '76 and then was able to vote for president. I held my nose and voted for Ford. I've always been further to the right than my dad. He cannot stand third parties.

-- Posted by swift on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 3:30 PM

Somebody at work tells me that she has a neighbor from NewYork who gets on this. Anybody from NewYork?

-- Posted by swift on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 3:31 PM

Hey y'all, I've just decided to vote for Palin! I've had a political conversion experience! I'm not going to waste my vote and see Obama messiah get in! Hoon, you can thank God, you've convinced me to do the right thing! Folks, and now I'm being serious, we cannot risk an Obama presidency!

-- Posted by swift on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 3:41 PM

Not trying to tell you what to do....I just think everyone should make a check list of some sort...go down it and see which candidate more CLOSELY represents your beliefs/standards/character/philosophy. Be honest, be fair with yourself and ONLY yourself understanding that NO ONE candidate is going to match you thought for thought/belief for belief. Support the one that is most in line with YOU. There are too many people that vote for a title, vote because that is ALL they know. That is not what voting should be about, but that is where it has gotten. And why or how anyone goes into a booth, checks ONE box beside either an *** or an elephant and turns it in is beyond me.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Tue, Sep 9, 2008, at 9:57 PM

Hoon, as always you make some very good points.

The Prohibition party candidates for president(Gene Amondson) and vice-president(Leroy Pletten) are split in their opinions on Palin. Amondson is from Alaska so likes Palin a lot. Pletten is opposed to Palin based on some of her politics and her religious beliefs.

It is my opinion that religious belief is really not a qualifying criteria for a candidate for any office. If theological orthodoxy was a quaification, nobody would be elected because each of us believes our particular belief is more orthodox than those who believe differently.

-- Posted by swift on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 4:12 PM

Or they vote for who's hot.

-- Posted by goat lady on Wed, Sep 10, 2008, at 4:59 PM

That's a good one gl! lol

-- Posted by swift on Thu, Sep 11, 2008, at 2:59 PM

I am going to have a hard time holding my nose and going into the polling booth, however as just an observer I do believe that the McCain selection of Palin was one of the greatest moves anyone could make. He must have had a person who is highly skilled in psychological warfare advisng him on his selection. It appears to me that her selection has certainly flustered Obama.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 1:42 AM

Yes, indeed, what appeared to be a "senior moment" on McCain's part has turned into the heralding of the second coming! I wonder just who gave him that piece of stellar advice? Maybe Carl Rove is secretly in charge of McCain's campaign.

-- Posted by goat lady on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 6:51 AM

Obama's failure to select Hillary made this possible. Wonder who gave him his advise? Probably Caroline since Biden is from the cultural elite East Coast.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Fri, Sep 12, 2008, at 8:13 AM

Thought of Carl Rove immediately, but he is removed from this campaign. Someone is sitting back thinking, man, I am smart. Obama SHOULD, is NOT, and WON'T be getting grilled for the dumbest VP pick he could have made. Has anyone seen the youtube footage of Biden asking the paralyzed man to stand up and be recognized??????????? OH MY...check it out.

-- Posted by shannonhoon on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 6:50 AM

Hoon, I went to the meeting with Constitution Party candidate for governor, Dr. Gregory Thompson at Hickory Log last night. Just my wife and I and Corey Noles were there.

Very sincere, educated, and zealous brother in Christ, Thompson spoke from his heart. He's also written a very stirring book called Forbidden Secrets. http://gregorythompsonforgovernor.org

-- Posted by swift on Sat, Sep 13, 2008, at 9:22 AM

Saw the picture in the paper. Third party appearances are lonely affairs...

-- Posted by goat lady on Wed, Sep 17, 2008, at 9:22 PM

Too bad we can't get a real independent third party with a real chance of winning. At least Swift recognizes that to continue with the same Bush economic and foreign policy is ridiculous. Gas prices thru the roof, unemployment increasing every day, Banks failing at an all time rate since the 30's, the country in so much debt that it will take us years to recover, housing forclosures at an astronomical level. (by the way, I think the true reason that the Republicans have put us in so much debt is to get rid of Social Security; they are always talking about we can't afford to pay the baby boomers) Yep, a true reason to support the same Republican policies with McCain??? Do I hear the word Hooverville????

-- Posted by Wildcat67 on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 9:01 AM

gl, you're right! It was sort of lonely, but the visit was good. The book, Forbidden Secrets, by Dr. Thompson gives his personal testimony and a brief story of why he entered politics. Then he gives his political philosophy. he gave us some copies to hand out, some push cards, some yard signs, and a highway sign. he spent the night with us before leaving early Sat. morning for Blue Springs.

Wildcat, the Republican Party doesn't really want to get rid of Social Security. That would be political suicide to attempt that. That is a fear foisted by the Democratic Party on seniors. Both party machines are only interested in getting elected. The Demo Party promotes class envy and tax and spend while the GOP condones and tolerates big government through borrow and spend.

This is a different subject but I feel I must post this. Billy Pat Wright has done a great job as our representative to Jefferson City. Burlison's letter was way off! Wright is very pro-life, pro-2nd Amendment gun rights, and pro traditional marriage between one man and one woman. He has signed into law bills adding jobs to Missouri. It seems that Burlison is trying so desperate to put all Republicans under G.W. Bush and Congress. I got so aggravated, I sent Burlison an email and put two more Billy pat Wright signs in my yard right next to the Vote Pro-life signs.

-- Posted by swift on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 3:46 PM

Billy Pat is not a typical Republican. He actually CARES about the common people. He is also a friend of education.

There are S0 many politicians who I feel are trying to destroy public schools - so that we end up with a system in which the rich will pay to go to exclusive private schools, and the poor will be shuttled into destitute, poverty-ridden public institutions, jungle wastelands.

Of course both parties' goal is to get elected, swift. What concerns me is what they do AFTER they're elected. As for the "political suicide" part - That's only true if they get caught. If they could get rid of Social Security WITHOUT getting caught, don't you think they'd do it?

And - if seniors would be content to just sit in their rocking chairs and vegetate, instead of banding together as a powerful voting block - some slippery politicians WOULD find a way to eliminate SS.

-- Posted by goat lady on Thu, Sep 18, 2008, at 6:23 PM

gl, you're right on pretty much everything in your post.

Back to the subject of Dr Thompson for governor: He is for school choice. One of the things that he promotes is private schools and homeschooling for Christians. He was sued in Federal Court because, as district school superintendent in Humansville, he refused to take the Ten Commandments off his office wall. In his book, he includes a message by Pastor Steve Proctor of Westwood Baptist Church in Poplar Bluff. The message gives the reasons why Christian parents should send their children to private schools or homeschool them. I agree with the philosophy; I attended a church run private school from 8th grade. I am much for school choice while still believing that Christians should get on school boards and should teach in public schools.

-- Posted by swift on Fri, Sep 19, 2008, at 3:04 PM

I don't object to private schools, as long as the politicians don't want to give them public money.

-- Posted by goat lady on Fri, Sep 19, 2008, at 10:56 PM

AMEN!! That is unconstitutional to do that!

-- Posted by swift on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 11:12 AM

What is the difference in giving the money to a private school or public school as long as they are in the business of education and meet the standards?

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 12:05 PM

I.B., we've been over this before! There's a lot of difference. Private schools don't have to take kids with disabilities, don't have to give the MAP test (thus be under the scrutiny of DESE), don't have to be held accountable to any outside forces.

Public schools have ENORMOUS expenses for educating the blind, the autistic, the learning-disabled....and the list goes on. Private schools don't have any of those expenses, and can, in fact, give entrance exams to students to make sure they get the "cream of the crop," so to speak.

It's not fair to expect the public schools to jump through all those HOOPS - and then give their tax money to the private schools!

-- Posted by goat lady on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 2:27 PM

I guess if that is the way you see it, but I don't see it as their tax money.

Do they not get the same amount per child wherther they have 10 or 1000 students?

Is more money given to private education for a student than is given for that student to the public school. I think the voucher is actually less isn't it?

I really don't understand why it would be unconstitutional to give the money to a private school.

In all reality, education is probably a states right and a states responsibility. Not the federal government responsibility.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 4:16 PM

It's not a matter of how much they get per pupil. Most local schools can educate a student for 6,000 -- 8,000 a year. Special needs students can take six, seven times that to educate, and the gov't doesn't foot all the bill.

Right now, I don't think the private schools get ANY public money, but we have some legislators who are working overtime to change that.

Separation of church and state, I.B.

-- Posted by goat lady on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 8:49 PM

I am not sure that giving money to private eduation is promoting any church. Isn't it more like the church doesn't matter and are all private schools ran by religious organizations? I don't know, maybe they are. To me, I don't see a problem in that area unless the government is promoting one or denying another because they aren't an approved religion.

So, if it cost 6-8 thousand and the government could get by with giving say a $1,500.00 voucher, whats the problem with that?

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sat, Sep 20, 2008, at 10:19 PM

The problem is the drop in enrollment for public schools. Any time their enrollment drops, they're in trouble, because they get NO state aid for that student who enrolls in another school - whether the new school is private or public.

I think the vouchers are going to be a nightmare for schools, since they'll have no idea what their upcoming enrollment is gonna be, from year to year.

For example, say a school expects a certain number of students in the fifth grade, so they hire their teachers based on that number. What do they do if a significant percentage of their fifth-graders go to another school? Do they fire that new teacher just before school starts in the fall?

Then, what does that teacher do? She's forced to look for a new job at a time when most schools already have their new hires.

I see trouble.

-- Posted by goat lady on Sun, Sep 21, 2008, at 7:41 AM

Maybe you are right, I don't know.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Sun, Sep 21, 2008, at 6:16 PM

IBTruth is right in that public education should be under state and local control and not federal. i don't like the idea of tax vouchers. There's just too many constitutional problems with that. some kind of tax credits would be better- parents who use alternatives to public education would fill out a form on their income tax return form, much like renter's credit, etc. Would it work? Who knows? Just a suggestion anyway.

-- Posted by swift on Mon, Sep 22, 2008, at 4:11 PM

Swift, you are a thinking man, even if you do lean a bit too far to the right. (Oh! Deja vue! Have I said that to you before??)

-- Posted by goat lady on Mon, Sep 22, 2008, at 5:31 PM

You've said it before, gl. Now I'm going to go a bit to the right on another issue- "Separation of Church and State". There really is no such thing written in the 1st Amendment. The original intent of forbidding Congress from establishing a religion was to keep government from establishing a state church such as Church of England, for example. Dr. Thompson, in his book, Forbidden Secrets, gives a qoute from Thomas Jefferson when Jefferson was over the schools in Washington D.C.. Jefferson believed that we should have the Bible in our schools. That being said, our public schools in this area are much more inclined to be tolerant of public displays of religion than many other areas of the country. Now I'm rambling! lol!

-- Posted by swift on Tue, Sep 23, 2008, at 2:55 PM

No you aren't. I appreciate that bit of information. If all right-wingers were as pleasant and reasonable as you are, I wouldn't have such a negative reaction to them...

I've never taught in a school that allowed prayer, but I have taught in one which required everyone to stand at their desks and say the Pledge every morning. The principal stood up on the stairs and peeked down into my classroom to make sure my students were doing it.

I found it oppressive.

-- Posted by goat lady on Tue, Sep 23, 2008, at 4:09 PM

I see nothing wrong with starting the day of school off with the pledge. It is to me a very important part of our life and children should be taught the pledge. I would however, see something very wrong with punishing those who did not desire to recite the pledge.

I did grow up in schools that had Christmas plays every year and I have great memories of those. I found it pretty disturbing that when my children grew up they never had the opportunity. It seemed that by the time they came around baby Jesus had been banned from the manger and there was a celebration of something else that was politically correct. I really didn't understand it and sure didn't enjoy it too much. I don't think my kids did either.

What it had to do with their life I don't know, but it must have been the correct thing to do because the Superintendents, Principals and teachers seemed to think it was the right thing to do. How could I object? After all they were the educators and educated.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Tue, Sep 23, 2008, at 6:49 PM

I don't think the educators were the ones who got rid of Baby Jesus. There were other, darker forces at work, and the schools took the non-confrontational way out. The fear of lawsuits is rampant in the schools.

As for there not being anything "wrong" with starting the day out with the Pledge, I agree with it on the elementary level, but to force high school students to do it every day is repressive.

You don't encourage patriotism by forcing your will on someone else: "You're gonna be patriotic - or else!" It doesn't work that way. There are lots of other ways to promote patriotism than by standing over kids with a stick (so to speak) and saying, "Recite the pledge! Recite the pledge!"

If this particular principal could have gotten away with beating us, I think he would have! "Be patriotic!" Whack! Whack!

-- Posted by goat lady on Tue, Sep 23, 2008, at 9:20 PM

I think most kids would stand and recite the pledge without the threat of physical discipline and it still isn't a bad way to start a day. To me, not doing it says as much as doing it. No one forces people to stand for the National Anthem before sporting events, but the vast majority do. It is just a good thing to do, but I would also defend your right not to.

-- Posted by I.B. Le Truth on Wed, Sep 24, 2008, at 10:05 PM

Hey, do the public schools here benefit when folks like me are late paying their personal property tax? You know the amount goes up each month you're late.

-- Posted by swift on Sat, Sep 27, 2008, at 9:20 AM


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