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Larussa's new job sends him to the World Baseball Classic

Posted Tuesday, March 5, 2013, at 10:15 PM

Tony LaRussa speaking at Southeast Missouri State University in October 2012.
The 2013 World Baseball Classic is underway and at least one new face will be working the circuit this year.

On the heels of his third world championship, Tony LaRussa left his managerial post with the St. Louis Cardinals while he was on top.

Having spent more than three decades as a major league manager, he felt it was time to hang up his cap--and trade it in for a suit.

In 2012, LaRussa was named as a Special Assistant to MLB Commissioner Bud Selig. While he wasn't too sure what that would entail at the time, LaRussa has learned a lot about the business end of baseball in the last year.

"I've really been impressed by how many different pieces Major League Baseball has working," LaRussa told The Daily Statesman from Phoenix, Ariz. on Tuesday afternoon. "They've got a lot of different departments and ways that they're trying to bring the game out to people. So far it's been very successful."

The World Baseball Classic is a prime example. While the event is governed by the International Baseball Federation (IBAF), MLB played an active role in its creation and management. When the International Olympic Committee in 2005 decided to remove baseball, those involved in the sport knew that global outreach was still going to be the future of baseball.

So, they took it into their own hands.

"I think 10 years ago the commissioner really began to globalize baseball and it's had a tremendous impact," LaRussa said. "We're just now beginning to see it."

He said the way that shift is most visible is in the excitement among the teams to show off their country's best players.

This is the third rendition of the WBC and you can see the different countries are really excited about displaying their talent to other countries of the world. While it has taken some time to bring excitement to the event, particularly in the United States, LaRussa said he expects 2013 to be a big year baseball's only worldwide showcase.

"You're playing for your country and I think we're seeing it become more and more competitive," LaRussa said. "The more competitive it is, the more entertaining it will be."

The 2013 World Baseball Classic is the first for LaRussa, who was quick to remind that he was working during the spring in 2006 and 2009. The timing of the event, while awkward for American players, is something he doesn't see changing anytime soon.

"The fact that it happened during spring training is one of the hurdles that we had to get over because a lot of the major leaguers weren't as ready to play," LaRussa said. "But, they got some extra work this year, so they should be here ready to play."

This year, LaRussa's role at the World Baseball Classic is quite simple--watch baseball. He won't be watching it like the average fan watch a game, though.

LaRussa will be looking at how rules and other facets of the game affect play. In short, he'll share the knowledge of a man who has spent a full half-century on or around a baseball diamond.

That experience plays a huge role in the everyday operation of his position with MLB.

"The big difference is that MLB looks at the good of the overall game," LaRussa said. There's a lot going on. You're concerned about the health of the game and what's good for baseball as opposed to just trying to win your game with your team."

While winning may not be the primary function of his job, LaRussa acknowledged that his goal is to do his best at whatever he is doing. His 2,728 career wins as a manager tell the same story.

Tickets for the 2013 World Baseball Classic at Chase Field, home of the Arizona Diamondbacks, and Salt River Fields at Talking Stick are on sale now at worldbaseballclassic.com.

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I'm TLR is staying active and helpful during his time since he left the dugout. Hopefully he can mine some useful intelligence from this because to be honest it does nothing for me. I feel like they assume it will become as big as the world cup but it just won't because their is a gap in the amount of talent and attention payed to baseball in the Western hemisphere that just isn't in places like Europe, Africa, or most of Asia( yes Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea I see you). I feel like it just detracts from spring training and would be better served if they shut down MLB for two weeks in the summer, had a host country, and eventually got to a sudden death playoff instead of series.

-- Posted by Bunk on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 10:59 PM

Can you really call it a "new job" when he's been doing it for a year now?

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 11:02 PM

I think the new refers more to the fact that the position is new than the fact that he has it. The fact that TLR was just told to go hang out at the WBC and tell us if you see anything cool we might wanna try is pretty revealing how many defined responsibilities he has for MLB.

-- Posted by Bunk on Tue, Mar 5, 2013, at 11:10 PM

Jolly - I had a lot of trouble with the headline on this one and wondered if someone would take issue with "new." Basically, keeping up with the WBC is a new responsibility in a still "semi-new" job for him. When you consider he did his last job for 33 years, in the grand scheme of things I have no doubt he still thinks of it as new.

Bunk - What Tony is doing, is more important than it seems on the surface. While he is watching games, if there's a problem, he will have to help deal with it. Remember the infield fly fiasco during the Wild Card playoff last year? After the incident, the umpires also met with MLB officials to discuss the rule's application in that instance. Presumably, that is the kind of thing Tony would have been involved in. I just wanted to clarify. In terms of the WBC, it is governed by multiple baseball organizations from around the world and he is one of the representatives for MLB. He's also doing media work right now (for instance talking to myself and other news agencies) to promote the WBC. The reason for Tuesday's call was because he wanted to talk about the WBC (but, there will be another story from the other end of the conversation.) Does that make sense? I mean, he's not working 90 hours a week, but he does have some responsibilities.

Does that make sense?

-- Posted by Corey Noles on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 7:22 AM

Yeah it does it just seems very fluid. I actually like the idea of MLB hiring baseball's greatest minds and let them work into a niche areas and developing the position around that. I think Torre was the same way at first and he has now taken over most of the umpire responsibilities such as blown calls, dealing with their union, and their scheduling among other things.

I did read somewhere that MLB was looking into testing instant replay in the WBC. I know Tony and Torre have both expressed their ideas and concerns with as managers and assistants to the commissioner so imagine that's a big thing Tony is working on for the WBC.

-- Posted by Bunk on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 8:46 AM

Corey, I was more or less splitting hairs.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 10:53 AM

Yeah it's tough to find an interesting angle on this type of article when we don't know exactly what TLR is doing besides PR and representing MLB at the WBC. I was just pointing out how that vagueness you mentioned in this article is very present in his current presence at the WBC. The replay thing makes sense if its true so that is intriguing but I wonder what exactly they would be doing for replay? I also wonder how relevant the result would be for MLB at this time? Also I just like complaining about the WBC. I hate the IOC and their hatred of team sports, American/Latin dominated sports, and general sports that involve scoring provided by something other than judges. IOC bring back baseball, soccer, and wrestling to the summer Olympics!

-- Posted by Bunk on Wed, Mar 6, 2013, at 12:14 PM

One has to wonder if the Reds are next for TLR and how the Cardinals are gonig to perform with new management. I predict the Cardinals are headed in the wrong direction and have been since their former GM left.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:18 AM

Proven management techniques work forever. Not just until new management wanting to get bonuses come up with new ideas that are unlikely to work.

Legends who manage at the same place for more than a decade will always be legends.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:21 AM

Typo . . . going

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:30 AM

What are you even talking about Dustin? It's like you want people to mop the floor with your stupid arguments. WE ALREADY WON A TITLE! We win a lot and I don't know how you can we have anything of a bright future. Where do you think they get future All stars? You have to draft and develop them or buy them for more than they are worth.

-- Posted by Bunk on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 8:48 AM

Dustin - I think you are the only cardinal "fan" anywhere that is not excited about the direction of new management and the future of the cardinals.

Your boy Walt has done nothing since going to the Reds. Sure he has won the division, but what good does that do if you cannot get out of the first round of the playoffs?

For what it's worth ESPN had an article with the future power rankings for mlb which took into account current players signed, farm system talent, and management and the cardinals were #1 in all of baseball for the next 5 years. It was an insider article so i could not get specific details. Like i said take it for what it's worth, but there are many outside of cardinal nation that like the direction the cardinals are heading going forward.

-- Posted by Dr. Basketball on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 10:30 AM

Dustin we get it. You hate MO! You hate the Cardinals, and you want to move to Cincy, so please quit trolling the Cardinal boards and pretending you know baseball! Every point you make on this board is the exact same!!! We get it! Go marry Walt and please leave!

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 12:38 PM

The Reds didnt make playoffs since 1995 before Walt arrived. Cardinals chances do not look good to make playoffs this year. Too much money is invested in bad contracts on injured players.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:05 PM

Who besides Furcal and Carpenter is an injured? Who in general has a bad contract on this team. No one really maybe Holiday might not be worth the last year of his deal but that year isn't this year. Go into specifics Dustin I would love to hear your ideas supported by facts and examples

-- Posted by Bunk on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:39 PM

Don't have access to computer right now to write longer response. But are the Cardinals overpaying for Furcal, Holiday, Beltran, Westbrook, Wiggington, etc.? Should the Cardinals have considered saving money to sign Lohse instead of investing it in Furcal and Westbrook? Do the Cardinals have too much money tied up in offense and too little devoted to veteran pitching?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 1:59 PM

Dustin when will you just learn that no one respects your opinions? We all know you know nothing about baseball. Move on. How many different stories can you get on here and write about how Walt is god? NO ONE CARES! Until you have actual information that is worth a darn then write something! I liked Walt, but his last season with the Cardinals we were I believe third in the division with players like Chris Duncan starting for us... wasn't exactly a god like performance.... Not to mention our farm system was drained from his trades, and the players we traded for were old and out of their prime then!

And you can sit there and tell me with a straight face that Ole' Jock didn't make any personnel mistakes in St. Louis? How about not only trading for Mark Mulder, but then after being injury plagued we re-signed him his last year! They all make mistakes.

So by all means google up a good answer, and pretend that you know something! Hint the comment ,"Don't have access to computer right now."

This article was about TLR, and you get on here to bash the Cardinals? Seriously get out of here!!

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 2:45 PM

Dustin thrives on trying to be a contrarian. It makes him feel good.

-- Posted by sideline starter on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 3:03 PM


All five of my fantasy baseball teams made the playoffs last year.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 3:07 PM

How many good trades were made if you disregard the Mulder trade. If you trade enough prospects you will eventually trade one that makes it in MLB.

TLR got out of the Cardinals organization at the right time in my opinion.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 3:13 PM

Final thought because I don't want to run my cell phone battery down is we will just have to wait and see what happens in the post TLR era / Jocketty era in St. Louis this year and over the next decade. The numbers will indicate if the new philosophy works better.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 3:18 PM

I agree with Bunk I'm not a fan of the World Baseball Classic.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 3:37 PM

We actually agree on something Dustin the WBC is a waste of time. However I really don't think you realize we don't have to wait years to figure out which direction is better since we already have won the World Series and we were one game shy of another WS last year. Veteran pitching is way overrated. You need to get over your man crush on Kyle Lohse and embrace the youth movement

-- Posted by Bunk on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 6:06 PM

Thank you Bunk! If Matheny puts Rosenthal in the game instead of Scrabble, forgot what game it was, we are in the series and have a great chance of winning it all!

BTW Dustin like the troll attempt on the fantasy baseball comment.

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 9:30 PM

Idk if we had just lit up Zito than that solves that problem. It happens like that sometimes though what are you gonna do?

-- Posted by Bunk on Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 9:35 PM


Do you think Matheny is an upgrade as manager? He is much cheaper.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 2:07 AM

Nope Dustin I don't. I think we should hire you! But if you are too busy with your hard job of reporting then maybe WJ could do it! He is the god of baseball! What can't that man do?

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:38 AM

What would you have the org do at manager Dustin? I don't think you realized that TLR retired from managing and won't be working for your precious Reds anytime soon. Just to bring another point home for you though how many WS have Reds won since Jocketty's arrival on fact how many playoff series have they won? Now look at the Cardinals success, now look at the Reds lack of it, then look back at the Cardinals you will see rings and hope symbolized with cute images of baby Clydesdales, look back at the Reds feel unimpressed, look back at the Cardinals and feel complete inside as a fan . This post was sponsed by Old Spice.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:25 AM

Bunk that may have been the post of the year! haha Thank you for starting my Friday morning off with a laugh!

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:52 AM

The bad Cardinal management is at it again. Just signed Allen Craig to a 5 Year contract with the option for a 6th year. Entering his baseball prime, batted over .300 last year with 22 homers and 92 rbis all while missing the whole first month of the season. Plays a solid 1st base, plus can play right or left field if needed, led the majors in batting average with runner in scoring position last year @ .400, but according to some we should have traded him and one of our young starting pitcher for Jason Giambi or Jim Thome to play first base, so we have a chance to be competitive since they are veterans!

-- Posted by Dr. Basketball on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:14 AM

Totally agree Dr.Basketball. Walt would have either made one of those great trades, or signed Craig to play for free. I have never seen a more magnificent GM then Walt the Cardinals better just quit the season now and become the Cubs, since we our GM will never be Dustin Ward.

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:18 AM

I'm all seriousness this the perfect length for an Allen Craig deal since he has an advanced age for an older player in terms of his debut in the majors.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:47 AM

I agree Bunk, and as Dr.Basketball stated he can do other things than play first. I don't see him ever needing to do that, but in case we need to move him in a different spot we could.

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:51 AM

Yeah we just signed a guy who if he hadn't been hurt in April would have been one of the two 1B who were viable for an all star berth. Seriously if he doesn't the all star at least times in the next 5 years I would be shocked

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 12:13 PM

I really don't understand this whole Walt vs. Mo debate. Both GM's had great success with the Cardinals. To me, this is like arguing whether you prefer a BMW or a Rolls-Royce.

-- Posted by Preacher Man Fan on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 1:20 PM

Only if that BMW likes small amounts of fuel and the rolls Royce is Eco friendly and gets ten times better gas mileage. Oh and the Rolls is younger with less miles on it too. Then I understand your metaphor.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM

I'm meant leaks instead of likes. Autocorrect sorta sucks sometimes

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 1:59 PM

Bunk, you can't deny Walt is a great GM who had tremendous success with the Cardinals. Neither can Dustin deny the success Mo has had in recent years. Those two points are beyond dispute. That's why I don't understand the debate.

-- Posted by Preacher Man Fan on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 2:12 PM

I can debate that though Preach. Walt has success spread over a decade and a half of service. He won one title basically because Carpenter pitched every other start and Suppan and Weaver pitched the best games of their lives. He built so ok to amazing teams but at the crippling cost of destroying the farm system. The Cardinals had several droughts in winning because of him. He also traded away a lot of good young talent to overpay hurt guys( i.e. Mulder deal). He allowed for the steroid era to thrive under McGuire. He refused to adapt to new ideas revolutionizing baseball front offices which lead to his departure and subsequent adaptation but threaten to hold the team back for years of not a decade if he had continued on his way of doing things. What has Mo done wrong besides give Lohse a little to much money. Most of his other questionable moves are either more explainable or less consequential. I just don't see how anyone can think an average GM is as good as one the 5 best GMs in baseball

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 2:26 PM

I think what Mozeliak does from this point forward determines the grade he should receive as a GM. He finally has a field manager he hired and most of the players signed are his players with the exception of Wainwright.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 3:15 PM

Wait wait wait wait wait..... You want to not just count the years he helped drag us out of the muck and more that was the worst farm system with all out money invested in 4 players Walt Jocketty Cardinals and the Workd Series win( win with players he drafted or traded for like Allen Craig and David Freese or the the free agents he signed like Lance Berkman and Rafael Furcal)??????? No you don't get to count out the years where fixed the teams internal problems, replenished the farm, and won a title with a team that was 80% his. That's ridiculous if you think Walt Jocketty's GM tenure won us a title after he was gone for 4 years

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 3:36 PM

I literally made an account just to comment to Dustin. First off Jocketty was good at one thing. Trading away farm players for proven vets. He did do this well. Unfortunately you cannot have long term success doing this. DeWitt understood this and so did Mo when he was running the farm system. This also brings up the point on how well Joketty would have done without Mo bringing in the talent for him to trade away. Joketty has shown no skill in building a farm system and was lucky he had people like Mo there to do this for him. With Mo at the helm the Cards look like a contender for many years to come while the Reds look to have a small window that will be closing very soon with their aging players. It is pretty amazing that a down year in St. Louis is being projected to win 85+ games. Yes some of the Cardinals are aging also but they have replacements waiting to come in and start when called on. Mo has done an excellent job and continues to put a winner on the field. Until the Reds make it farther in the playoffs on a consistent basis then the Redbirds I would say Mo is doing a better job in St. Louis then Joketty is in Cinci. Cardinals starters that are home grown this year will include Craig, Kozma, Freese, Jay, Molina, and either Carpenter or DeCalso. Also waiting for their turn are Wong, Jackson, and this guy named Taveras who happens to be the 2nd ranked prospect in all of baseball. Those are just position players. I wont even get into the pitchers. I would take home grown talent over other teams old guys any day of the week. Thank God you are a Reds fan as Cardinal Nation has no room for people like you.

-- Posted by bergybones on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 3:43 PM

Welcome bergybones be warned Dustin doesn't get any better.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 3:55 PM

Thanks Bunk and reading his comments I didnt expect he would. Him saying Mo is finally using players he signed shows how little knowledge he has since Mo has worked in our scouting department since 1995. He then spent 5 years as Assistant GM then moved up to GM. So all the farm players Walt ever used were Mo's guys. Mo was the reason the farm guys were on the team to begin with. And just so he knows LaRussa started here in 96 a year after Mo.

-- Posted by bergybones on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 4:01 PM

I'm not a Reds fan. But the Reds did not win until Jocketty arrived.

In an unrelated topic why hasn't Kyle Lohse signed with someone and when will he?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 5:30 PM

bergybone and bunk you are failing to give credit for our farm system to Jeff Luhnow. He played a huge reason in rebuilding the farm and stocking it and he's the sole reason Walt is gone.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:03 PM

Can anyone win in Houston in that division Jolly?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:17 PM

I've been swamped today, so I haven't had time to join in the discussion. Here are a few thoughts.

Jolly - I agree about Luhnow. Given that his position was not as high-profile, he's not always given the credit he deserves. Luhnow, along with Mo, have everything to do with the Cardinals' success at this stage in the game. I was a Jocketty fan, too, but over the past three seasons I've finally converted. I was extremely skeptical of Mo, but he's shown me what I needed to see. While Luhnow cultivated the farm, it was up to Mo to decide whether to use or sell the harvest. So far, he's been right on the money. I had issues with Furcal, but that's another story.

Dustin - I agree about Houston. Now that they're in the AL West, they are sufficiently doomed. However, if there is a guy who can bring a solid farm system to a low money team, it's Luhnow. In terms of their division/current status, I would be willing to wager a Cubs World Series win will come before the Astros.

Bergy - Welcome to our chats! I'm always glad to see new names.

Preacher Man - Welcome! Your point about comparing the BMW to the Mercedes hits the nail on the head. Of course, Mo is just getting started so it may not be that kind of a race forever. One of the two could become a Ford Pinto.

Dr. Basketball - Welcome to you, too!

I'm always glad to see good baseball discussions in these comments. Thanks for reading!

-- Posted by Corey Noles on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:29 PM

OK, so some a major announcement regarding my Cardinals column and coverage is coming in the immediate future so stay tuned.

A couple of points...

1. Beginning hopefully this coming Thursday, we will be doing a weekly LIVE Cardinals Chat with me on the website. Long on to ask questions, share you thoughts, scream at me or whatever you want. It should be a really fun deal and as long as people join in, we'll be doing it weekly throughout the year. So, log on, tell a friend and everyone else you know. At this point, I am tentatively shooting for 1 p.m. Thursday. More will come soon. How does everyone feel about that time? Would most of you be able to join in? I'm open to the occasional evening chat, but with little league starting soon I know a lot of people wouldn't be able to join at night. We may even do some of both. What do you think?

2. We have received more comments on my last four columns/stories than we have for our entire website in quite some time. That's very exciting and I hope to see many more in the future. Writing is fun, but the discussions are even better.

3. I've also set up a Facebook page. It's been active for quite some time, but I haven't started pushing it. Check it out at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cardinals-...

4. Hit me up on Twitter (if you use it) as well @coreynoles . If you're a baseball fan and NOT on Twitter you are seriously missing out. Tons of players are on frequently and will respond to you on occasion as will many members of the national media. It's worth checking out-trust me (I was a late convert to it as well.)

5. The big announcement (mentioned above) will come in the first live chat. There will be a story before the chat promoting it and will also have a link and more information. I might even do a giveaway or two because I still have some Cardinals DVDs that were sent to me by A&E recently to, well, give away! So in short Thursday, chat, free Cardinals stuff, announcement. Be there!

Thanks for reading guys!

-- Posted by Corey Noles on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:42 PM

Believe me Jolly I give Luhnow all kinds of credit but I think Mo knows how to scout and draft and run a farm system. Luhnow is great and they will have a great team in Houston in like 5 years but I really think Luhnow probably learned as much from Mo as Mo did from him.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:42 PM

Dustin you should check out the Cardinal forums on semoball where through a series of threads we have discussed why no has signed Lohse. Mainly because instead of just receiving an extra 1st round sandwich pick as compensation the new CBA means signing a player of Lohse's caliber means you give up your first rounder to the team losing that player. Also Lohse wants a little bit more than what he is worth especially when considering the draft pick issue

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:48 PM

Bunk - Nice point about Mo also learning from Luhnow. Something I think has contributed to Mo's success is that he's not a pure numbers guy (like Luhnow) or a pure scouting guy (like Jocketty.) You can see the blend of both sides of the spectrum in his actions. I think he leans more to the metrics side of the argument, but he's not one who discounts traditional scouting either. Just like in politics, the truth lies between the two polar opposites.

-- Posted by Corey Noles on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 6:52 PM


What is wrong with the Cubs deserves its own thread. The Cubs have plenty of money, but did not invest it the right way. The most important role of a GM is how he/she spends money on MLB talent. The Cubs invested their money in the wrong players.

I maintain how a GM handles signing MLB ready free agents is the most important role of a GM.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:17 PM

I thought Jocketty's forte was signing the right free agents. I believe that is a lost talent in St. Louis since he has left.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:19 PM

It is also fair to point out Pujols once said he would play for Larussa his entire career if possible. How many free agents have said that about Matheny?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:22 PM

Yeah free agency has been terrible for the Cards since Jocketty left. Neither Lance Berkman nor Carlos Beltran worked out at all.

-- Posted by sideline starter on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:28 PM

sideline starter

Berkman didn't work out the second year at all. That's a fair statement.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:36 PM

The Carlos Beltran contract is not over yet, but I agree with that signing. The Mets' fans might not.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:41 PM

He was one of the four key pieces as to why the Cards made it to and won the World Series along with Freese, Carp, and Craig. How ignorant are you?

-- Posted by sideline starter on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:42 PM

How many games did he play the year after?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:45 PM

Yeah Berk just helped lead us to a WS no biggie. Also your complaining that a first year manager has not inspired someone to proclaim his undying loyalty to him. You know it's not like TLR was arguably the greatest manager in the history of baseball are anything.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 7:52 PM

Does you (Dustin) enjoy trolling the baseball forums?

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 8:44 PM

He does indeed

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 8:50 PM

Jolly Dump

In fairness I am too old to know what trolling means and don't have the time to look it up.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 8:57 PM

I will add I call it like I see it.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 9:00 PM

You're not that old Dustin! You're about my age. Anyway, if you call it like you see it, you need to some baseball glasses to enhance you vision.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 9:50 PM


Corey: You guys should work on the website to allow us to edit our comments. I hate when I have typos and only catch it hours later.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 10:36 PM

Dustin is just one of those pompous baseball geeks who never played before in his life, and thinks he knows everything! When will you get it that no one respects you, or your opinions?

On that note I am done responding to your ignorance.

I also want to commend Cory Noles on your great articles which is why I started reading and writing on these in the first place.

-- Posted by Kobeyashi on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 10:38 PM


My thoughts on what is happening in St. Louis will stand up soon enough.

Here is a link to Executive of the Year winners since 1936.


-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 10:45 PM


The only GM to win more Executive of the Year awards than Jocketty is George Weiss.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 10:49 PM

Once again all because someone wins executive of the year doesn't actually mean they are the best executive in baseball. That's like saying whoever wins album of the year at the Grammys was definitely the best album that came out that year. Heck they have only picked it twice correctly in my opinion( the grammys that is because no cares about executive of the year)

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:07 PM


Nevertheless, it represents I'm not the only one that thinks Jocketty is among the best in the business.

The current GM in St. Louis isn't listed at all.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:13 PM

God forbid you realize that popular majorities aren't always correct especially in sports where winning is the ultimate goal. Sabermetrics and the moneyball system for evaluating players and signing them cheaply wasn't popular when it started and it's still not the prevelant thought among the baseball media and the general fanbase but you know where it is popular? 30 major league offices because winning dictates change and Mo is the symbol of that change. It's a system that broke the curse of the Bambino and helped us win a world title. You have yet to counter any of my points while I counter everyone of yours by the way.

-- Posted by Bunk on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:30 PM


I completely agree with you the minority is right sometimes.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Fri, Mar 8, 2013, at 11:35 PM

Dustin your thoughts are pretty weightless! For some reason you have love fantasy about Walt, which I don't get. Mo has done his fair share leading this team to the postseason. Walt got this team 1 WS championship the entire time he was here. Lets give Mo the same time period. And Mo knows how to make trades to benefit the team and no deplete the farm system, ie. Mark Mulder and Mark Derosa.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 11:09 AM

Yeah I mean its not like Mo traded for Matt Holiday or anything. He obviously doesn't know how to trade for veterans

-- Posted by Bunk on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 11:13 AM

The fact that Dustin would insist the Cardinals screwed up by not resigning Pujols is more than evidence to his baseball IQ. He would insist that we sign him and basically commit financial suicide instead of letting him go and win championships. The funny is that Pujols went to Anaheim and missed the playoffs while the Cardinals go into the playoffs.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 11:39 AM

I agree with not signing Pujols.

Howver, it's fair to examine why Pujols didn't want to play in St. Louis for less.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 11:48 AM

He didn't because he wanted more money its dumb to speculate as to anything else that effected his decision. I mean he has played so well that should definitely question that decision now right? He left for the money and the "respect" that came with not because he had noisy neighbors or someone offended him in the clubhouse

-- Posted by Bunk on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 12:17 PM

Correct Bunk. Its so ridiculous to even try to examine why he didn't want to stay. He wanted his payday. For everything that Pujols said about winning championships, when the Almighty Dollar speaks he went jumping for it. For years he the most underpaid player in the game and he finally wanted to be paid what he felt he was owed.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 12:30 PM

Fair enough Kobeyashi.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 8:14 PM


Do you think the Cardinals should resign Wainwright and or Lohse?

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 8:42 PM

I get very nervous with the plan of trying to win with young starting pitching.

Plus I'm worried Garcia or Westbrook will get hurt.

-- Posted by Dustin Ward on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 8:47 PM

Most logical fans are concerned about Garcia because he's had a history of arm issues. However, Westbrooke only had a hiccup last year and shouldn't be that big of a deal, or a deal at all.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 9:05 PM

I personally think we are the best equipped team to handle two vet pitchers going down. I would love to see a Waino, Lynn, Miller, Kelly, Rosenthal rotation down the stretch. By the way that will eventually be our starting rotation next year by the way

-- Posted by Bunk on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 9:10 PM

Don't forget about Carlos Martinez. He could replace Kelly in the rotation. Martinez is not a bullpen guy.

-- Posted by Jolly Dump on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 9:43 PM

The scary reality is that if Miller, Rosenthal, Martinez, Wacha work out we are probably doing deadline deals for Waino and Lynn

-- Posted by Bunk on Sat, Mar 9, 2013, at 10:06 PM

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